My only hope now is that once the buzz is over, I'll be able to get it for a paltry $80K :)

Exactly!! What I hope to get out of the GTR is a car that I hope to use more often than the Lotus and still have that performance rush without spending a lot more. Maybe even a replacement for my G35. I was looking at the G37 to replace that but it would be nice to have one car to serve both purposes. But at any rate. The reason for my post was that you seemed to be a bit hard on Buckwild for evaluating other cars in the same vain as the GTR and it seemed like you felt that a person comparing/evaluating other cars was crazy and if they are looking at other cars they should “move on” and just buy something else.

My issue is with calling the GT-R a race car. It is not. It is a GT car. If Nissan truly wanted to make the GT-R a race car, it wouldn't be so darn heavy. 3800lbs is not sports/race car territory :)

I just wanted to :lol: at this a bit...

2 seconds off it's pace at the 'ring, not bad at all...

The V-Spec will be a race car and will more than likely rival the GT2 Porsche, at very least near it's performance.

The R35 has many variants and years to develop. This is only the beginning.

I felt that if he was looking for a lightweight "trackday" car, the base model R35 is nothing like a Z06 or GT3.

I wonder if Nissan had simply inflated the weight figures as part of keeping it's rivals off balance? Tell people it weighs 3800lb and has 480hp and they won't get worried. Produce it with 480HP but bring it in with a weight lighter than that and you have a real contender.

No.

Nissan is not lying or withholding anything. The R35 is heavy, 480hp, and engineered to perform at sub 7:38.

This is extensively discussed by Nissan engineers.

The V-Spec will be even lighter, probably only a 2-seater with roll-cage as an option, and will annihilate the CGT.

I must've been out of the loop for a while...they're offering a v-spec that's stripped down? Saaaaaweeeet!:smilie_th

Yes.

And there is confirmation that a production chassis will be homologated for LeMans/Taiku GT racing.

The best sports car from the four main automobile manufacturing countries:

U.S.A.: Chevrolet Corvette Z06
Germany: Porsche 911 Turbo
Italy: Ferrari F430
Japan: Nissan GT-R


Now that is a very interesting matchup. Two RWDs and two AWDs, two V8s and two twin-turbo six cylinders, two two-seaters and two four-seaters, three front engine and one rear engine, all two door, all with 470hp+ and 0-60 mph under 4 seconds.

Awesome...This car is living up to its hype.

Well, considering they designed it for racing first, then produced a street version for homologation later, it should.

...yeah, I know. There are lots of things that should live up to their hype...

Hey all

Thought I would chime in. I can tell you I have had my eye on the Skyline for... 10 years. I saw the first R34's at Ginza, and have been following them ever since. I travel to japan very often. I get to see them quite allot, in the flesh, and have love the "Ballistic Refrigerator" for its looks. I also enjoyed the Supra vs GTR stuff... as it is allot like the US with Mustang vs Camaro.

Anyway... I am waiting to see. I have a deposit down on the ZR1, as I think it will hold a value better than the GTR. But I wont keep my eye off it. Cant wait to see one at a HPDE.

I would argue that the GTR will hold value more simply based off my opinion that this car will see limited production in the US...meaning it will likely only be around for 2-3 years with limited models each year. I hope that I'm wrong and that the GTR will remain available in our market...but I just think it's too spendy for Nissan to support this car in America.

I am going on historical data. A 1989 C4 ZR1 can be bought today for 40 grand. That is holding its value pretty darn well.

I'm not arguing that the ZR1 won't hold value...I just think that the GTR will hold more value due to it's specific limited production.

^Not if they plan on pumping out 6000 to the states. The GTR is on the same level as the zo6. The ZR1 is a whole other ball game. You see what used zo6's are going for?

Nope, I think I don't qualify as a customer because I don't sport a mullet...

A used 90's ZR1 held up well. I am positive the new one will too.

And I dont have a mullet. :waglleybo

Yeah, I agree the ZR-1 is a different beast all together. Not fair to compare on any level being the price. I do however think on track performance will not be very far off.

However for the normal Z06, although a great car, its higher production, and shows it's price cutting measures. They squeezed a lot of a performance into a good price tag and it shows a bit. These factors would show reasonably why it would not possible hold its value as well. Still does good for an american car though. IMO, corvettes have always lacked a little in certain areas. I have never been a fan of the fit and finish even though they are getting better. Now the GTR also has some cost cutting measures, but overall, still a better finish and I would say a better car in every way including performance, practicality, easier to exploit, and finish. The only question is if it is a fit for you personally. I can absolutely see people reasonably choosing the Z06. Its cheaper, RWD, manual transmission, and a wildly different style. Both great options, but money and styling aside, I believe the GTR has a clear edge, and one that is hard to argue otherwise

With markups on the GTR being project at 20-30k, a better comparison may be a GT3

Its your opinion... :smilie_th

Here is mine, take it or leave it. The Z06 (I own one) is a fantastic car. Hands down I can pass almost any car I see on the track minus full blown race cars. yes, there are cost cutting measures on the car. however I can ignore them. The power train is just plain fantastic. I can not see the GTR (I have one on order) giving the same feeling of a true track car. i see the GTR as a car i would be ok taking to the super market. The Z is not that car. It is grumpy at low speeds (Stock) and not fun in traffic. But you get it on the track, were it belongs, and it is just an amazing ride. Its pure, unedited, mean, unforgiving woopass. The GTR I would imagine is not that car. I cant wait it find out.

The ZR1... I am scared of that car. The Z06 is freaking fast. Add a blower... yeesh. I am sorry man, but a ZR1 is going to eat a GTR at the track.

Yeah, thats almost exactly the point I was trying to make in regards to the Z06. Great on track. Sort of a one track mind kind of car. You notice the cost cutting when you try to live with it on a daily basis. It will undoubtedly be a wildly different experience on the track.

BTW....i used to pass Z06s (including new ones) in my previous lightly modded STI at sebring:) Not all of them, but definitely 3 quarters. To be fair...i had better tires usually.

Let me give you some info:

Limerock Park - 1.6 mile

Time in modded STi (I owned one) - 1.08
Time in E36 racecar - 1.02
Time in stock 07 Z06 - 1.04 (first run!)

I ran all 3 on Hoosier tires.

With the ZR1, I would be scared.