ahhh Sir Baisicaly... Your wrong. And I will prove it to you in Black and white.

First, A stock production Gtr will loose from a dead stop or roll in 1/4 mile top speed any MPH to a Corvette Zo6!

Proof See Above!
Also note of this road test is the FIRST test of an actual STOCK production GTR and the first direct comparison of a stock production GTR and stock Zo6 and Porsche, all other magazines ie. Car and Driver were PRE-PRODUCTION Enginering Test Mules for GTR's!!!!


Notice anything about the GTR which is behind the Zo6 at the 1/4mile finish line?.. YEs....the Z06 is pulling HARD on the GTR by almost 10MPH!!!The only reason the GTR can see the Zo6 is its perfect AWD launh!!!!

If it were from a roll the Gtr would be so far behind the Corvette it wouldn't see it, due to the Zo6 having a better Horsepower to weight ratio! From a role the launch Awd is negated and everything equall, now the HP/Weight ratio comes in and HP rules. The Zo6 has a better HP to weight ratio than a GTR.

For the GTR to equall the HP to weight ratio of the corvette it would have to add 90Hp in additional mods to able to tie a Zo6 in a street race and have the same Hp/Weight ratio!!

Second, I said a Regular 436Hp Corvette will pull on a Production Stock GTR, not from a stop but from a strret race or Roll.


I know this is going to be hard for you Hyped up Play Station mentality's to belive .........But........ Sorry........Don't Flame me for this FACT......A Regular Corvette also has a better power to weight ratio than the Super HYPED GTR!.........

Still breathing..........Ok....Don't belive me Take the weight of the car and divide by Hp.......Ok...Seee I wasn't Lying...


Ok still don't belive me.....Use same TESTING SOURCE look at the previous months Road and Track they tested a regual Corvette it ran a 12.6 @116 MPH and the GTR ran 11.8 @116 mph...Hey ..wait ..Notice anything...Seee............How could the loly regular Corvette at the Finish line of 1/4mile have the same MPH as the Super Hyped GTR... EVEN with the Super Duper LAUCH???????........Seeee....................

Now the next time you HYPED up GTR drivers race a quote in your HYPED GTR mind lower car from a roll or a street race don't be surprised if he SPANKS YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.


So GTR driver stay at a closed circuite track, don't race cars from a roll or go treet raceing because you might be surprised!

 

This is funny stuff.

The GTR is the fastest car in the world because basicallyevolve said so. Interesting, why is it on the PDF on the next page from steve wilson have the Zo6 a full two seconds ahead on the GTR at 120mph. Wow can you imagine how many car lengths ahead the ZO6 must be at that point.

Im not sure what your video proves. Even if the cars are what they say they are, i still dont know what it proves, it didnt even beat the vette. Call me crazy, but ive seen a lot of procharged ZO6's in my day but that had to be the quietest supercharger of all time. I also find it strange that a guy with a fully forged motor procharged vetter didnt add a boost gauge. My two gauges and pod ran about 500 bucks, this guy droped 10K into the motor plus 8 for the supercharged but didnt add a boost gauge?

How am I ignorant, you are telling me that a car that is not even for sale yet will beat a Zo6 at any track except a 1/4 mile. Well how bout a 1/2 mile? or full mile. You know it only gets worse for the GTR then.

Keep trying to teach me lessons, in the mean time, where are all the 7 second Evos? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBEeo...eature=related
See, I can link random videos too.

As far as you lap times, that is a great time the GTR put up. As you should be able to see by now, it is easier to drive a GTR fast than other cars. After all, the computer takes care of the 0-60 for ya. There will still be many tracks were a Zo6 is faster than GTR. Depending on the setup it will favor 1 vs the other. One nice thing about the Zo6 is you dont have to worry about heat sink (if you know what that is)

I have no clue what your paragrah that starts with "Me back when i had 300 Whp Vs a normal C6 Freeway and Off the line. Then you can talk" means, maybe you should spend more time in school than arm chair racing with cars you dont have.

 

OK...lets take it down a couple notches, and Steve, please stop posting that test in every single post. We have all seen it and no one s debating it.

The Z06 is almost certainly faster at speed just as the GTR is almost certainly faster from a dig. The Z06 is one of the closest competitors to the GTR in performance for value and therefore will always be a heated debate. It will inevitably be a better choice for some individuals and just depends on what you are looking for in a car.

For me personally, the appeal of the GTR (besides price) is the well rounded performance, daily practicality and usability, and ease of exploitation. No car currently available offers all these items in the same balance. The Z06 is a fine car, however its a bit more biased in certain areas while lacking in others (to me).

I do disagree with the track performance comments. Sure, there are some tracks out there that may give the Z06 an advantage, but I would venture an educated guess that in most track, stock to stock, the GTR will win all things equal. The ring is just one example of this clear performance edge. But its not the only. The car has been tested at many tracks all over and is a constant performer. It is good in all corners despite its heavy weight. Much of this is simply because the car is an easier car to drive at the limits. Of course the two have not yet been put up in direct competition, so we will not know for sure. But based on the testers I have spoken with (mostly skeptical of the car before testing) say it is simply a much faster car to drive around a track than most out there. This is not to say its the end all fastest.

Steve: As to you comment about the car tested being some test mule, here is a little insight into media test cars. They are all typically pre production( but 99.9 percent production), and some are messed with while some are not. With exotics, they are typically full production. To say the GTR a tweaked heavily preproduction and the Z06 is not would be biased and naive. The both have an equal probability. Usually these days however, the manufacturers are a bit better about obvious tweaking. At most, they may put on a better set of brake pads when they know the car is going to the track. But dont fool yourself into thinking that the GTR is not reflective of a production vehicle just because you want it to be that way or need to prove a point when the Z06 tested could just as easily been tuned up.

 

As I mentioned in one of my other posts, that doesnt mean much as you are not looking at the big picture. You could say the same thing about 99 percent of sports cars as something is always faster. There will always be something that does one thing better and probably cost far less. I will go pick up a 10k modified DSM and spank an STI, GTR, or lamborghini. But what does that prove about those three cars. Nothing.

There will be very very few GTR buyers whos only reason for buying the car was to be the fastest drag racer on the street. And if that was their reason, then they possibly made a poor decision.

Also, just to have a little fun. Suppose a GTR and regular C6 line up for a quarter mile. Regardless of trap speed, the advantage early on for the GTR will mean several lengths by the quarter. All the trap speed means is is the the primary advantage for the GTR is off the start which is no big surprise. Now enter the real world where you dont get to take the best out of 30 races and only have one shot. The GTR has the advantage of constancy. Every launch, every 0-60, every quarter mile will be almost the same. Sure that C6 CAN pull a 12.6@116 on an ideal launch, but mess up just a little, or maybe the road surface is not as good and you could just as easily pull off a 13.0@112 or worse.

 

yeah i agree with charles

let's tone it down, some of the posts in this thread are flatout embarrassing

we're more mature than this guys

i don't see why it has to be a straight up head to head competition, that's fun to watch on a video, but in the real world there are so many factors

no car is prefect at any one task, and there are times that the most fun car to be driving is a $500 beater that smokes and will probably die within a month

let's appreciate all the different cars, what we buy reflects our opinions and that's the beauty of our capitalistic system.


happy driving,

matt

 

he just wants to say he is right. he is right, a z06 is faster on a strait line rolling. the differnce to 120 is moot as you can see a secound differnce, with a differnt trap speed.

plus all those numbers... are just adjusted, so they are not real numbers anyways. so his proof isnt exact.

the fact of the matter is this what charles is trying to explain. the advantages vs dissadvantages vs stock cars. modified cars are so lame to discuss because they are sooo differnt and so many possibilities, plus modified cars are not likly to have a majority of advantages (cause modified cars are to stiff, to loud, not legal in some cases etc etc etc the list goes on).

so if you would each display NON bias advantages and dissadvantages to each car i would like to see that.

this is the point where you have to put down the CROWN you are wearing right now vette guys. how about you list everything NON BIAS about each car, both advantage and dissadvantage.

this may be hard for you because you are so right about rolling races you must be HIGHER than life itself. but when you list these without bias and with truth, you will see the benfit of the R35 vs vette in their stock form. nevermind adding hp (cause we seen what happens when you add hp to a vette just look at the ZR1 lap times compaired to the spec-v which didnt add much of any hp (slightly more boost and new exuast was all)).

because of the GT-R R35 transmission its gearing is to close and its geared for faster speeds at lower gears. once it gets past 60mph the gearing isnt the same all the way up and suffers to the V8 and the trans in the vette. but we know from racing cars this is not a dissadvantage (the tighter gearing). going into a turn and out of a turn this will benifit, plus the awd system of the R35 pulls faster out of a turn than any other stock manufactured car out there. can the vette do this?

the z06 cant do anything better until it uses a DSG. it would definatly have some major battles then. but overall i think thats not enough either, cause the RWD technology of the vette is not going to cut it. put a turn in its way it will just slow down.

anyways, get back to writing the list of advantage vs dissadvantage of each car. and dont be bias. were not looking at aftermarket here either, because that defeats it all. be truthfull and dont leave anything out because it makes one car look bad. im fine with labling true facts that are bad about the R35 GT-R.

 

Two points:

1. GT-R stated HP is underrated. This is a fact. So using a made up number by applying a standard drive train loss % is "fuzzy math"

2. Anyone who does 1/4 mile drag racing like I do knows that the launch has a dramatic effect on trap speed. If you spin off the line, your ET goes down, but your trap speed goes up. If a Z06 pulls a 1.8 60' compared to an average 2.0-2.1, you'll see 3 or 4 MPH shaved off the trap speed, but it will finish the 1/4 quicker..

So for a GTR, if you don't use launch control, you'll see a higher trap speed. And that number is what you should compare when you talk about roll races. To ignore this shows a lack of understanding.

-Mark

 

I'm practicing restraint today...

 

I knew that this guy was going to bait you guys in from the first day he posted. He just went fishing and caught a lot of big ones.

*Point* We all know that he wouldn't even bother coming here to post if he truly thought the C6 was a better car.

Furthermore, there is no way to change his mind, it is already made up. Ignorance is bliss, let him be blissful.

Steve Wilson the Corvette is a great car!!! So is the STi... Have a nice day!

BTW, Cooler heads prevail guys. Different points of views should be encouraged not stifled.



I will leave you with an expression that I learned an it holds true in most cases.

And I quote:"Don't argue with stupid people or they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience" end quote... BTW, I am not saying this directly towards anyone, take it for what it is.


Regards,

-Nate

 

1. That is true, but it is also true for most of the comparison cars. Many say the 08 viper is closer to 650 bhp stock.

2. That is normally true with rwd cars, but im not sure that would be the same with the awd gtr and launch control. One of the best 1/4 mile times posted for the gtr is in GTRNates sig, 3.3 0-60, 11.6 at 120.1mph. I dont think I have seen a better 1/4 and trap with the gtr.